What will you fly come CoD?

I am looking forward to learning the new flightmodels and physics. I am dreading the prospect of bieng forced to fly inferior aircrafts, due to lack og good airplanes.
The 109 and the Ju88 will be my aircraft of choice.

Is there a Gladiator? :stuck_out_tongue:

I just the interview with Oeg and Ilya at PC Gamer.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/02/08/il-2-sturmovik-cliffs-of-dover-interview-we-talk-to-oleg-maddox-and-ilya-shevchenko/

If we take their words for granted, there a comments that make me frown.

ILYA: We love crap planes too. From a certain point of view, every plane in the Battle of Britain is a crap plane. Early Mk I Spitfires are horrible. Stukas are deathtraps when coming up against fighters. The Italian Fiat G.50 is an embarrassment in a dogfight. All in a good way of course. I personally get a great sense of enjoyment out of flying these online, especially the Stuka. Yes, I’m usually dead the second an enemy spots me, but in the rare cases I manage to get him with the rear gunner,

They diden’t mention the Bf109 as crap plane!!!

As I like long range interdiction mission and fly “to live another day”!
This lovely and complex simulation engine are build for the guys over at IL2 “Battle of Britten Server”. Instant action with no regard for survival.
And since EAF are an allied Sqd, I a in essence out of job :frowning:

Maybe I can get a job as gunner at a Bofors site or get a job as radarcontroller.

They diden’t mention the Bf109 as crap plane!!!

However, looking at the dev updates it seems that whilst the hurricane/spitfire are difficult to fly with full CEM, even the devs are finding the 109 near impossiible to fly with full cem and overheat on.

As I like long range interdiction mission and fly “to live another day”!

From the allied side, this is not the nature of the Battle of Britain.

This lovely and complex simulation engine are build for the guys over at IL2 “Battle of Britten Server”. Instant action with no regard for survival.

Not quite sure where you are getting that from Starfire, maybe something i have not read, or something i am not understanding in your translation.

And since EAF are an allied Sqd, I a in essence out of job

I hope its an allied organisation, i wouldnt like to think i am flying for the Axis, bad show and all that.:wink:

As far as being out of a job, i dont understand why you would think that m8, not only will teamwork and co-operation be essential for survival ( and eventual victory ), but not everyone is going to fly CoD. Its a transition period and will be for some time, extensions based on the Russian war and the Med are already in development. So if you like, the same process we had with original FB.

Nobody is saying that flying CoD is a must, this thread is just an enquirey of sorts to find who is interested at the start .

Osprey :roflmao: Yes, i think the gladiator is mentioned in the list of flyables

Sporran

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Can someone tell me please?

In archive movies, the Germans look at Dover through a small telescope “Soon Winston…”

Their occupied French airfields are very close to England, they can see Dover…

Why then (in legend) must their planes hurry to England and hurry back to France, not to run out of fuel?

Did they have very small fuel tanks or were they just nervous :slight_smile:

Ming

Small fuel tanks, yes. Time to form up in big formations and then follow bombers, yes.

And don’t make the 109 out to be better then it was Starfire, it sure had it’s bad sides, and despite what the luftwhiners are saying, it was not superior to the Spit. Equal (with different good and bad sides) I can buy, but no way superior.

Equal (with different good and bad sides) I can buy, but no way superior

Agreed - there was a BoB doc on TV last year where the presenter a historian said that the 109 was the better aircraft - and got an RAF vet to back him up.:rolleyes:

However he was basing this on cannon firepower but neglected to explain that the cannon shells on the Bf ran out v v quickly…

Apples and oranges.

NB: Spit wins any beauty contest then and since…:slight_smile: :slight_smile:

331 flew on the BoB server this monday, and as usual I had the feeling of playing another bunny-jumping fps. Like BF1942, except that it was more fun.
I am wondering why they bother with normal takeoff.

I think I am saying that I don’t find instant action to be fun.
That I am affraid of loosing my hobby. That I find the lack of available aircrafts and the lack of maps are boring.

In hope they get the takeoff and landing difficulties right. The TO in IL-2 are too easy according to survivor stories and warbirds pilots.

EDIT:

The Spit are the wins in aestetics, but the 109 wins enginering.
The 109 were easier to maintain, with better access for service than the Spit.

It took the British 13000 manhours and 8000£ to build a Spit in 1940.
It took them 10300 manhours to build a Hurricane.

  • Quote: Britain 1939-1945: The Economic Cost of Strategic Bombing, by John Fahey.

It took the Germans 4000-5000 manhours to build a Bf109 in 1940.

  • Quote: The most dangerous enemy by Stephen Bungay

Seen in a strategic perspective, the were better 109 since the a/c where more or less equal.

Thank Good for the English Channel and Politicans (Hitler) wanting to make military decision :slight_smile:

And the 109 beeing faster and cheaper to build doesn’t really matter when it took the nazis another couple of years before they realized they might actually need to ramp up the production. By then the 109 was quite long in the tooth, even though they decided to continue to make it until the end because it was cheaper then to switch the production to something better.

By comparison the later mark Spitfires was still pretty competitive at the end of the war. And already during the BoB the brits managed to produce or repair planes at a higher rate then they lost them.

I think an important part of that is there role of escort planes for the bombers. They had to wait and form up with them.
If all is proper simulated I think their biggest enemy is their own fuel tank. Beside of that I am sure we will be pretty much frustrated countering them with our early mark I Spits.

I think when they say ‘early Mk.I Spitfires’ they refer to the very early Spitfires that were fitted with De Havilland two pitch propellers, however it was very quickly realised that the Spitfire performance was greatly increased with the addition of the Rotol constant speed propeller units. In fact Spitfire squadrons were receiving ‘constand speed airscrew’ spitfires long before the official battle of Britain began. Also of course when the Merlin II and III was in use the boost was increased to +12lbs for a 5 min limit. Those 2 factors made the Spitfire a faster aeroplane with I believe a greater rate of climb.

A lot of interesting info can be found here

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html (read P/O David Crook pilot report, did you ever get a Spitfire that fast?)

I’d be interested to see if some figures exist that show the 109 to be the superior of the two a/c. One thing is sure they were very very closely matched but the 109 had the distinct disadvantage that they were both low on fuel and had to escort the bomber formations, the latter meaning that RAF fighters could always attack from above as radar vectoring would position interceptors above the enemy formations, well they at least tried to :slight_smile:

Thx Classix, interesting info there:

I find this one:

[INDENT]Another effective form of evasion with the Spitfire was found to be a steep, climbing spiral at 120 mph, using +6 1/4 boost and 2,650 rpm; in this manoeuvre, the Spitfire gained rapidly on the ME 109, eventually allowing the pilot to execute a half roll, on to the tail of his opponent. 94

particularly appealing, as I thought it was common knowledge that the 109 excelled in spiral climbs.
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I want my Gladiators :frowning:

Its strange you should post that about the spiral climb Nepe.

About 18 months or so ago there was a converstaion in HL exactly about that.

One of the 302 squad pilots mentioned the Spit would outfly the 109 in a left circuit spiral climb. I tried this offline and it was true… It worked . The AI 109 was chasing me in the spiral climb and I could physically see it stalling and its nose dropping away.

Interesting :slight_smile:

Until an update/addon arrives that will bring the E4 with the Minengeschoss, I think the Spitfire will have more plus points than the Bf109.