Planes for France 1940!

Hello mates,

I posted this in our (310/322) tactics-room and its not visible for all there.
I think this is maybe of interest for future France 1940 Campaigns and Missionbuilders. I think I gonna work soon on a few the planes to get them visually into the ones I thought of.

Ok, after looking up the planes the French Airforce and also Belgien and Netherlands AirForces used I watched into Hardball’s Aircraft Viewer, If we can use some other planes for them.
I found some which could do so:

The Breguet 691 represented by the Ki 66 II (Dinah).
The Problem is the biiig performance-difference between those planes and their purposes. It would fit nice from the looking but its not ok for gaming

Same with this one,
the looking fits perfect but not the gameplay.
The Bloch Mb.152 represented by the Ki 100.


But all the next planes are quite ok in looking and performance-wise.


Vickers Wellington represented by G4m1 Betty

Amiot 350 represented by Ki 21-I Sally.

Martin A-22 represented by SB2.

LeO.451 represented by TU2.

Fairey Battle represented by B5N2 Kate.

Potez 630 represented Pe3bis.

Dewoitine D.520 represented by LaGG3.

Hs-123 represented by Cr.42.

There are also some skins wehich take the Pe2 as a Potez63 and as a Do17.
Thats also a thought, but the Do17 looked quite different to a Pe2

Now taking these as Hacks with the planes available in Il2 we get a nice France 1940 edition. im not taking these into account which wont fit for gameplay [Bloch MB.152 and Breguet 691)

Aliied Forces [RAF, France, Belgium, Dutch):

Hurricane
Gladiator
B239 Buffalo
Fiat Cr.42 Falco
Dewoitine D.520
Potez 630
Douglas A-20
Vickers Wellington
P-36 Hawk [AI]
Morane-Saulnier MS.406 [AI]
LeO 451 [AI]
Amiot 350 [AI]
Martin A-22 [AI]
Fairey Battle [AI]
(Potez 63)

Axis:

Bf109
Bf110
Hs123
Ju87
He111
Ju88
Ju52
(Do17)

List of French Aircraft in the Battle of France

Some more Profiles and comparisons (fake-skins) will follow…


Blackburn Skua represented by SU2


V156-F Vindicator represented by B5N2


B-339 representred by B-239 :wink:


Fokker D.XXI represented by Ki27

Great research!

We absolutely need a good skin pack for the SE Ardennes battle

Planes Allied side in this SE:

-Blenheim Mk I and IV
-B5N2 Kate
-IL-4 DB3B
-PE-3 series 1 Peshka
-Fiat Cr. 42
-Hurricane Mk Ia
-Gladiator
-MS 406
-U-2VS
-L2D

Nepe could you provide yours? :slight_smile:

Bf109E4
Bf110C4 (AI only :(:frowning: I really wanted to fly all the campaign with this one)
He111 H2
Ju87 B2
Ju88 A4
Ju52 3GM4E
Fi156
Fw189

Sure I can understand that, also I liked to encounter human Bf110 drivers. The flyable 110 is the G2 version and would be a very hard enemy with our mark 1 Hurries. Seeing you in a 109 Emil (flying in orbit) is hard enough IMO :wink: :slight_smile:

Oh, dont worry, we will be gracious and fly low so you can see our nose in your mirror :wink:

Oh I see the IL4.

I had to reconsider my choices for the french bombers. The above ones don’t fit from the dimensions, equipment and armement. I dropped the Amiot 351 at all. No plane fits to her. For her Im now making the Bloch MB.174 for the Tupolev2. They have both similar performance and armement.

For the LeO 451 two planes would fit quite ok. The Il4 and the Sally. I decided on the Sally and made a quick skin. Sure the tail is totally wrong but I think it would do its job. Now knowing the Il4 is the choice I will do one for it also.

I used the Ki21-I Template by Imme for this one.

Greath job !!! :slight_smile:

Pax, could you provide the nationality for the aircraft skins required

For example the Hurri is going to be used by the French, Belgium and RAF and requires skins to suit all three. Same as the Glad - Belgium and RAF.
The PE-3 is a french potez. The fiat is i dunno what but is used by the BelgiumAF. etc.

Then if people or Paf :wink: can get some skins referenced or created I can then add them to the template.

As I see it the major work is for the Allied side, there is already plenty of easily available stuff for the LW out there already.

“Retired from EAF”…:eek:

What does that mean, Guru??:confused:

Hi Brigs,

the Cr.42 was used by Belgian Airforce.

Should the Kate be the Fairey Battle and the Il4 the LeO 451?
The L2D could be the Bloch MB.220:

I gonna try to put a liitle skinpack up in the next days. But don’t expect too much quality (correct panellines, rivtes etc). I will most likely take Templates or the Void and give the plane a correct Camouflage.

I’m no longer active, excepting for hosting this SE for 310/322/ and 51

Ah so the CR.42 is representing a Cr.42 :slight_smile:
Yep the kate is a Battle, I’m not sure waht the IL4 is, could be a LeO.
I’ll have a look at the template and see whats what and who flies it.
I think as long as we have the national camo on the relevent a/c we should be good to go.
How did you get on with your canvas Hurri? might be a good time to paint up some Belgium, French and RAF early black and white skins for it. Or we could look at Cannon’s site. I know he did a huge amount of Hurri skins a little while ago

Ok hwg:

British
11 sqdn early Blenheim mk I and IV
211 sqdn B5N2 Kate
232 sqdn Blenheim mk I
5 sqdn Blenheim mk I and IV
615 sqdn Hurricane mk1
615 sqdn Gladiator
RAF no 87 Hurricane mk 1
62 sqdn L2D

French
AAF Esc.2 IL-4 DB3B
AAF Esc.1 PE-3 series 1 Peshka
NN MS-406

Belgium
3IAK Fiat Cr. 42
VVS Hurricane mk I
VVS Gladiator
3IAK U-2VS

Guy’s I salute you! Great work :slight_smile:

I think I got skinpacks for the Belgian Hurrie, Glad and Falco’s.
I downloaded two single missions from Mission4today covering the period of the Blitz against Belgium.

So we could use those skinpacks, they’re pretty good.
Let’s talk about it tonight…

Thanks Gert I gonna take a look at them!

The Skins for the Skinpack have to be unmarked, right?

Now I know what the U2-VS should be. A Fairey Fox reconnaissance plane.

Paf,

Can you PM me your e-mail adress.
I’ll sent the skinpack to you

Gert