DCS - Buying recommendation

I just read Ribbons post,

http://forum.europeanaf.net/showthread.php?28379-BOX-is-it-the-way-forward-EAF&p=226525#post226525

and still remember my first question about this.

Steam or DCS Direct version?
Consensus seems to be that DCS should be purchased directly from DCS.
Since DCS World 2.0 is/was not available from Steam.

Modules
Currently P-51 and Spitfire seems to be the two favorite WWII aircrafts in EAF.

Terrains
Flying WWII aircrafts in a modern age enviroment is a bit of a turnoff, so

DCS: Normandy 1944 Map
This provide the landscape but not period specefic vehicles.

DCS: WWII Assets Pack
This provide WWII vehicles.

It is possible to buy as a bundle…
Normandy 1944 Map + WWII Assets Pack
but be ware of the price.
It is currently possible to save 3 dollers if you buy it seperately :confused:

I made a poll to see what the current DCS modules are owned :wink:

Thanks Starfire!
I was looking to go with normandy+ww2 assets pack, spit and one modern jet.
Also i’ll try to go with p-51.
My main doubt is which modern fighter to choose, which one would be most enjoyable regarding details and quality?

I have barely touched my A-10C, so I am not the right person for that kind of advice :smiley:

Another question;
Buying Flaming cliffs 3 will i get all those planes in package: mig29, su25t, f15…etc?
It is a sale!

For a ground pounder the A-10C all day, every day, that is of course until the F-18 is released. :slight_smile: For a fighter you might want to look into the Mirage 2000.

Downloading spit, mustang, normandy and ww2 assets pack.
Unfortunalty i’m leaving for France in a few hours so i won’t have time to try it out until i get back.
I’m counting someone will help me master it!
Will download and print startup/shutdown check lists and print them.

Organising a training evening will spare you a lot of time and efforts, consider it’s a study sim that require on average a little more time to get used to and proficient!

yes, you will get F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S, Su-25T, and Su-25

Yes but i think flaming cliff models are simplified and not at the same levelof dcs models…

I noticed that, they don’t have clickpits.

Totaly agree! Watered down sims…

wait… if you mean the non clickable cockpit then yes, they don’t have it… but some of the modules have Professional Flight Model (PFM) and have SSM, and are the SU-27, F-15C, and now the updated SU-33, MiG-29 Fulcrum is in development and I think FC3 is worth the money

I’m having a lot of fun with the updated SU-33, carrier ops and aerial refuel are great!

The below is provided to explain the various fidelity levels of flight dynamics and cockpit systems modeling available in our various DCS aircraft simulation products. We provide this to you to help better understand what your are purchasing:

Standard Flight Model (SFM). This has not changed and defines a more data-driven means of achieving flight dynamics, in conjunction with some scripting. SFM was used in the Lock On series and is still used in the Flaming Cliffs 3 Su-33 and MiG-29. However, we do plan to update these at a later time.

Advanced Flight Model (AFM) and AFM+. An AFM uses multiple points of force application and calculation on the relevant flight surfaces. This simulates edge of envelope conditions well and avoids scripted behaviors as used in an SFM. This system also partially implements the aircraft’s flight augmentation systems. DCS aircraft that use AFM includes the Su-25T. A further evolution of the AFM is what we term the AFM+ and this uses the same calculations as AFM but adds limited modeling of the hydraulic and fuel systems. Examples of AFM+ in DCS include the Su-25 and A-10A.

Professional Flight Model (PFM). This is generations beyond an AFM/AFM+ and is based upon:

• Use a wider array of wind tunnel tests CFD methods for aerodynamics parameters calculations.
• A higher level of aircraft construction details for forces calculations. For example: our landing gear model includes individual kinematics of retracting/extending is used to calculate its movement, servo-piston forces, etc. In such cases, we truly use real lengths, arms, etc. This also includes such items as a realistic simulation of airflow along the airframe due to the propeller or helicopter rotor thrust.
• Realistic simulation of Flight Control, CAS and Autopilot systems.
• Realistic simulation of Hydraulics, Fuel, Electrical, Engine and other systems influence flight characteristics.
• Unprecedented access to test data packs.

This is combined with much more detailed and accurate accounting of the physical forces on the aircraft and airfoils. DCS examples of the PFM include the A-10C, Ka-50, P-51D, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, F-15C and Su-27 (in development) for DCS Flaming Cliffs, and the Fw190-D9 (in development).

External Flight Model (EFM). Used by our partner developers, the EFM uses only a part of PFM - rigid body physics and contact model. What forces and moments are applied to this rigid body from aerodynamics and any other sources except the contact forces is up to EFM developer.

Standard Systems Modeling (SSM). A DCS module using SSM is characterized as including just the most essential cockpit systems and using keyboard and joystick commands only to interact with the cockpit. Examples of SSM in DCS include all of the Flaming Cliffs 3 aircraft.

Advanced Systems Modeling (ASM). An ASM enabled aircraft goes into great depth to model the intricacies of the various cockpit systems, to include functionality for almost all the buttons, switches, dials, etc. A key element of an ASM cockpit is the ability to interact with it using your mouse. ASM DCS examples include the A-10C, Ka-50, P-51D, UH-1H and Mi-8MTV2.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122801

http://en.wiki.eagle.ru/wiki/DCS_World_2#Aircraft

I do have the FC bundle along with quite a few other planes, but haven’t really flown them much at all. They are not necessarily bad, but they don’t reach the levels that the ASM planes does.

I do have the A-10, and if you have the time and interest to get to know it I think it’s a great module. I don’t have that time unfortunately.

The modules I use the most is (in order):
Spitfire
Viggen (I’m Swedish after all)
Mustang
F-86

(and far behind)
190
109
everything else

Getting Normandy with the assets pack and the Spit and the Mustang will get you a long way. The F-86/Mig-15, like the WW2 planes, have the advantage of not needing to learn loads of systems for you to use them.

Thanks!
I did get Mustang and Spit with Normandy map and ww2 assets!
Didn’t tried them yet, downloaded them 30min before i went on business trip.
When i learn them i’ll decide which modern fighter be my next purchase.
S!

harrierrrrrrrr !!!

That should be tricky, pilot selection for harriers are…harder than for astronauts:cool: