Debriefing on Dogfight competition...

Hi,

I would appreciate any comments on how the dogfight competition can be improved for next year. I’d like bad criticism as well as good, and any opinions or tips for improving it would be appreciated and very welcome. Everyone is welcome to give input, whether you participated or not.

I really intend to make thie competition better each year if possible. So the more comments the better.

Richy…

Let me be the first then…:o

Can we have one of the I153’s next time in place of the spitfire? :smiley:

NEVER!!! :eek:

109G-2 perhaps? :smiley:

Oh, I like the I-153

I vote for P47 or Tempest. Seriously :slight_smile:

I think the competiton was well made. Now we could try a 2vs2 competition.

For the start, I’d suggest a modification that each a/c starts wingtip to wingtip going in opposite directions at 250km/h instead of the 0 mph stall start.

I’d also think about including some cloud and possibly different a/c at each round.

I’d like to justify my reasoning for some of the points if they were considered or are being considered as we go along. Hopefully this will show my (and 602’s) reasoning for the format for the DF competition.

As for the particular aircraft, voting was perhaps the fairest way to assign an aircraft for the dogfight. I always suspected the Spit would be voted in, even though i voted for another aircraft. If voting was done again, the spit would probably win again, so what i was hoping to do was have another poll, but with the Spit removed. Everyone has a favourite aircraft and because the competition was primarily about dogfighting ability, we thought it fair to have equal aircraft so that we could isolate ability rather than talent with a particular aircraft.

What are your feelings on choosing your aircraft from a particular year? If you like the 1-16, then turn up for your fight in one, or maybe the 109? What are your thoughts on this?

I thoroughly agreed with a 2v2, and i think from a training point of view it would be a better competition. Good working pairs is an excellent asset to any squadron and should be rewarded.
The downside however is the ability to get 4 people to show at once. We had some problems with no-shows for 2 people, 4 will be harder to do.
One solution i have to this is to hold a competition night for the whole tournament. Maybe a normal training night and the competition is done and dusted there and then, or over a few nights?
One change i would make to the entry rules is that you must agree to turn up or forfeit your place on the night. I want no chasing on this one, i’d like people to let me know they can’t make it before the deadline.
Also i don’t know how Mikke feels about giving away 2 of the dogfighting medals away?

Thats one way to do it and is as good as the method we used. What was wrong with the stall method?

Clouds were tried by Joe and Painter, but they prolonged the enevitable. I realise that clouds and hiding in them is a legitimate strategy, but it mad ethe combat much the same, but longer.

Richy…

Two medals (or one shared in some way) might be possible, but like you say, it will probably be harder to arrange, and judge for that matter. For me it feels like something we should do outside of a set tournament.

Something I remember from EAW days is flying 1 on 1’s where one pilot first choose what planes to use (both in same), then for the next go the other pilot choose, and finally for the third round each pilot picks his favourite.
Hard (almost impossible) to do with a coop mission, but doable in a df.

About clouds, I agree with Richy that they add little if anything when it comes to pure df skills, and there’s a risk that differences in graphic settings etc will skew the result.

I think the competiton was well made. Now we could try a 2vs2 competition.

100% agree…and Ill suggest 109;)

Richy, don’t forget you asked…

I’d like bad criticism as well as good, and any opinions or tips for improving it would be appreciated and very welcome.

What was wrong with the stall method?

As per your request above, I didn’t like the stall method. Recovery from the stall the quickest had an impact on the outcome of the DF, not one’s flying ability in the DF itself.

Sorry if i made that sound like i didn’t want the criticism, i was genuinely wondering what was wrong with the stall start, that was all? Fair point though, as a quick stall recovery would give an unfair advantage at the start of the game.

I agree, In other 1V1 online battles we did cold passes (no shooting) than would go into the fight. Keets suggestion would be the same wingtip to wingtip. I also agree that we should do 2V2 this is a squadron and teamwork is essential, plus I have been wanting to do wingman maneuver’s this would give me a reason to practice…:smiley:

Well I intend to take part in the next competition and to spice things up a little how about an entrance fee? Winner takes all? nothing like some cold hard paypal cash to really make people try their best :wink: ?

So the old story about Anglo-Saxons having gambling in their veins, is not just an old lieu-commun, after all…:roflmao:

I was starting to thing that Common Places became almost nonsense, in the EU…:smiley:

BTW, do you know the old story about the European Heaven?

It’s a place where:

[ul]
[li]Policemen are British;[/li][li]Engineers are German;[/li][li]Cooks are French;[/li][li]Love is made by Italians, and[/li][li]All this is organized by the Swiss.[/ul]Isn’t it Common Place enough?[/li]
Have a look at the European Hell, then…a place where:

[ul]
[li]Policemen are German (the old fashion, of course ;))[/li][li]Engineers are French;[/li][li]Cooks are British;[/li][li]Love is made by the Swiss, and[/li][*]All this is organized by Italians…:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:[/ul]:w00t: