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    Hi all,
    I've finally tried out the Spitfire today...wow. That is an impressive aircraft, the translation on Facebook must have been wrong as it flies like a dream. I went into Berloga and starting whacking Bf109's from the sky with ease - though admittedly they were low and turning. Those cannon make them disintegrate; it's definitely what we're missing from Cliffs! Those things against a Ju88 and it will be down quicker than a hooker's pants on a busy Friday night in Amsterdam.

    I'm still getting the flickering in VR, so I have adjusted some settings. That's going to take some testing and tweaking, but I don't understand why it didn't do it at all at first. Still, it looks good. DCS Spitfire looks better, they're very similar to fly though. BoX needs to get the rudders sorted as it's awful in the Spitfire, but that is something that is meant to come out in the next big patch.

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    Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
    "That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.
    "It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.

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    Enjoy it while you can OD..the luftwhinners have started many threads in the IL2 foums { FM Discussion } over how OP the aircraft is and also how OP the Hispano's are, I can guarantee that she will be neutered..seen it so many times.

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    Always the way. They hardly have any ammo, only 60 rounds per gun, the 0.303's are worse than in Cliffs. The main thing was how well it flies though.

    What I don't get is that it is a cannon...it fires big, explosive, rounds...it's meant to blow bits off planes, and that is exactly what it does. How is that over powered? People never just accept what has been put out there and demand changes so that it fits their perception of reality (I get it with the Soviet planes that fly around with flames and belching smoke though, that's just stupid!!!). The Spitfire is slow, compared to the Blue aircraft, it is outdated too. It will never catch an Fw190 so I do not know what they are moaning about. The Bf109 seemed to be a match for it, but if all people do is airquake then there is no surprise. It's why we need campaigns, but now we have a good RAF aircraft I'm more inclined to fly Red rather than Blue.

    Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
    "That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.
    "It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.

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    They are debating the top speed of the spit..too fast ..also the ability to run at +16 for the time..add to that complaints on the damage it can sustain in the engine and not give up, the argument that the ammo for the hispanos are better than the Luftwaffe equivalents and you start to understand why I'm getting fed up flying online.
    The same happened in ROF...the camel was too good and servers seldom allowed it ...then they nerfed it to suit the moaning and screwed the Sopwith triplane in the process.

    I can see the same happening to the spitfire.

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    It's nothing new. Happened every time there was a patch in 1946 too. Seems to be reduced in DCS, but then the aircraft are rarely meant to be direct opposition for something. They moan about the missiles though!

    The Spitfire isn't fast and I overheated the engine last night, after that it wouldn't run higher than 35% until it had cooled enough. I can't adjust the prop pitch though. That's annoying.

    Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
    "That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.
    "It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.

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    I understand the luftwhiners. I seems unable to down any Russian aircrafts even in quick missions with the 190 cannon. Where as if I get hit by the yak or lagg I am going down....
    "....Perspective only comes from knowing more than you need to know"
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    Hello everyone!

    So, let's talk about Supermarine Spitfire Mk.VB. It took off for the first time in December 1940. Spitfires V were relatively old planes by the time the battle of Kuban begun in Spring 1943.

    "VB" variant was armed with two 20 mm Hispano Mk. II guns and four Browning .303 machine guns. The guns were magazine-fed, 60 rounds per gun, while machine guns had 350 rounds per gun. The lend-lease aircraft sent to the USSR did not have bomb-carrying capabilities, some other equipment was also removed - gun camera, landing lights, IFF transponder, etc. Thanks to this, the aircraft became lighter roughly by 40 kilograms. The special snowguard was installed in front of the engine supercharger to protect it from dust or snow while taking off. Most of the planes sent to the USSR had Merlin 46 engine, but roughly one-fifth of them was equipped with Merlin 45. They differed by critical altitudes - Merlin 46 was designed for higher altitudes like 4-5 kilometers, where it was more powerful, but it was 80-100 HP weaker than Merlin 45 near the ground. Our sim will represent both engines (Merlin 45 will be a modification).

    Spitfire instruments are similar to other planes, but there were some peculiarities. It was equipped with the rudder and elevator trimmers and the elevator trimmer position was shown on the instruments panel. The pitch up range of the trimmer is three times larger than pitch down.

    The engine-propeller combination is controlled by the throttle, the automatic pressure limiter switch, the propeller control unit and the mixture control assembly. The throttle is linked to the automatic supercharger: when the throttle is set to any position from 1/3 to full, it sets a pressure supported by the supercharger from -7 to +12 pounds per square inch (PSI) relative to one atmosphere pressure. So 760 mmHg boost equals to 1 ATA and to +0 position on the British boost indicator. The automatic pressure limiter can be turned off to maintain constant +16 boost regardless of the throttle position. The automatic mixture controller maintains the optimal mixture setting if its control level is in the forward position or leaned mixture to save fuel if its control level is in the back position. The mixture control system has been removed on later Spitfires.

    Water radiator is controlled by the lever to the left of the pilot seat which has six fixed positions and is set to 40% by default.

    The fuel gauge indicates the amount of fuel left in the feeder (bottom) tank when the fuel gauge button is pressed. In the sim, the pilot automatically presses the button twice in a minute if he doesn't do active maneuvering. The amount of fuel left in the upper fuel tank can't be indicated.

    Spitfire is equipped with a siren that warns a pilot if the throttle is set to a low position with the landing gear retracted. It turns off when the pilot either lowers the landing gear or increases the throttle or turns it off manually (in our sim the pilot turns the siren off after 3-5 seconds on its own).

    The sideslip indicator isn't a small ball like on other planes, but an arrow. It functions essentially the same - there is a pendulum behind the instruments panel attached to this arrow.

    The aircraft is equipped with two compasses - magnetic and gyro ones. Gyro compass should be caged up on the ground and while doing aerobatics (in the sim the pilot does on its own). There is a flight timer on the clock that is turned on by the pilot on its own after takeoff and turned off after landing. Upper and bottom formation lights can be turned on simultaneously or independently (RAlt+L).

    The horizontal marks on the collimator gunsight are adjustable, so you can use it like a rangefinder. To do this, enter the target distance in yards and the target base (its wingspan) in feet by pressing RAlt + <, RAlt + >, RAlt + ; and RAlt + /. There is a sun filter on the gunsight.

    While taxiing, keep in mind that Spitfire has narrow landing gear and large wings stuffed with weapons and ammunition, so they may touch the ground if you attempt a sharp turn, it also tends to 'circle'. On the other hand, it is stable on the runway during takeoff or landing. Its tail wheel rotates freely and does not have a lock.

    Take off should be made at 3000 RPM and +12 boost with the landing flaps retracted. When airborne, reduce the boost to +9 and RPM to 2850 and climb in this mode.

    The elevator is very sensitive and has very small stability reserve (the aircraft has a neutral static stability), so control the plane by gentle flight stick movements and don't overdo it. The pre-stall warning shake comes early, but if you continue to pull the flight stick and don't move it forward, the plane may stall and spin even at high speed. Flight manual says that you may enter spin only by a written permission of your squadron commander. Having the papers ready, enter the spin bravely - to recover from the spin, setting the control surfaces to the neutral position is enough usually.

    As we mentioned above, the aircraft has a neutral static stability. Therefore, the balanced flight stick position doesn't change during level flight while accelerating or decelerating. However, due to the elevator peculiarities, the flight stick load will change and the pilot should push the stick forward harder as the speed increases. That's why the elevator trimmer has the large pitch down range. The elevator effectiveness is high, so any trimmer position could lead to high-g accelerations (and force pilot to blackout rapidly) at higher speeds in spite of the limited control surfaces effectiveness at high speeds.
    The aircraft, especially untrimmed, should be controlled carefully at high speeds, not giving too much flight stick input since the high-g accelerations can potentially lead to a catastrophic structural failure.

    The aircraft becomes somewhat unstable with extended landing flaps, but in spite of this, it is easy to land. It's recommended to keep 95-100 MPH speed on the glide path.

    To summarize, Spitfire is a maneuverable, relatively easy to control and decently armed aircraft. However, its maneuverability (that comes from its large wing surface of 22.5 square meters, while Soviet fighters had ~17.5 sq.m. and Bf 109 had 16.2 sq.m) comes with the price of modest maximal speed near the ground.
    Second hot-fix which is contain a solution for extremely low FPS when using old NVidia video card drivers is released.

    The problem was: current NV API is providing invalid system parameters when working with old drivers (for example - driver have provided data that there are 84 video cards on PC).
    Now in that case NV API will not be used. So, due to this, to have a correct SLI and 3D Vision support on your PC you need to update your video card drivers to current version.

    We believe 780 cards can now use older drivers as a work-around as before to play. If this doesn't work please let us know. We still do not have a fix from Nvidia for the 780 issue on newer drivers. If that changes we will let you know.

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