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    All right, I am ready and patched with the very latest technics file!

    Many thanks for all help

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAF331_Starfire View Post
    The "Normady_Technics v3" can be found under EAF FTP //HSFX5/

    Unpack and past it into the \\IL2 1946\JGSMEMODS\

    It have the size of 32kb
    Ok, if that is all, I think I can manage to download it after all!

    "The more thy sweat in training,
    The less thy bleed in combat!"

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    Thursday the 8th of September
    This will a repetition of last thursdays training.
    Missions will be coop as usual.

    I will be online just after 2030 as usual.


    High Altitude Escort Training

    Mission Type: COOP
    Game Version: HSFX 5.0.1

    Mods:
    1. HSFX history mod
    2. 6DOF_Tracker_2_0_sHr
    3. EXPERT mode
    4. Normandy Technics v3


    Aircrafts:
    • P-51D-25NA and -20NT
    • P-47D/150
    • P-38L Late
    • Fw190A-7
    • Fw190A-9
    • Fw190D 1944



    2030 - Starfire will come online for training IL-2.
    2215 - Mram and Starfire will join the briefing for the [Normandy] SEOW
    2230 - [Normandy] start


    Hope to see you there
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    Monday the 12th of September
    I will be online just after 2030 as usual.

    The Bread and Butter of Dogfight
    In order to help Apollos to finalize his training I will host a series of COOP missions where we will focus on the Bracket, High Bounce, Low Bounce, Double Attack, Loose Douce. These missions will be "2vs1", "4vs2" and "2 vs 2".
    I can recommend reading up on Stage 7 on the EAF Wiki or looking into Shaw.


    Mission Type: COOP
    Game Version: Stock 4.10.1
    Aircrafts:
    • Spitfire Vb
    • Spitfire IX
    • Bf109F-4
    • Bf-109G-2


    2030 - Starfire will come online for training IL-2.


    Hope to see you there

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    Evaluation on training


    First of all, I would like to thank Painter and Redundant for participating. Crosstraining and human agresssors makes a huge difference in both outcome but also on the pupils attitude.


    Training Mission Nr. 1
    Situation: 2 vs1
    2x Spit Vb vs 1x109G-2
    Training: Bracket, Loose Deuce and Comms
    Bf109G: Mikke
    Spit's: Apollo & Starfire

    This was a textbook training mission with good coms, good bracket, good teamwork, good short bursts.
    Starfire could have done better in his maneuvering. There was some close call with the danger of collision. I don't know if Mikke tried to force this by purpose.

    Training Mission Nr. 2
    Situation: 2 vs1
    2x Spit Vb vs 1x109G-2
    Training: Bracket, Loose Deuce and Comms
    Bf109G: Mikke
    Spit's: Apollo & Starfire

    This was also a textbook training mission with good coms, good bracket, good teamwork, good short bursts.
    Starfire could have done better in his maneuvering. There was some close call with the danger of collision and I misjudged Mikke which he managed to take advantage of and get a shot in at my Spit. The damage was not enough to change the outcome.


    Training Mission Nr. 3
    Situation: 4 vs2
    4x Spit Vb Early vs 2x109F-4
    Training: Bracket, Loose Deuce and Comms
    Bf109F: Painter and Redundant
    Spit's: Mikke, Apollo & Starfire
    Mikke took lead of Red with an AI wingman.



    Training Mission Nr. 5
    Situation: 4 vs2
    4x Spit Vb 1942 vs 2x109G-2
    Training: Bracket, Loose Deuce and Comms
    Bf109F: Mikke and Apollo
    Spit's: Mram, Starfire, Painter, Redundant

    This was a very good example of what not to do!
    (I love fu*k-ups, since we learn a lot more from them )

    Let me sum it up:
    Mram assumed lead. Mission started. Mram called a joystick failure and a/c fell to the ground. Starfire teamed up with Painter but had was blind on Redundant. Painter was just blind. Starfire informed Painter that he was on his 9'. Total confusion. The merge happend. Agressors (109's) went for Redundant. Painter tried to run from Starfire because he thought Starfire was a bandit. Starfire lost Painter in dive. Single 109 engaged Starfire in a turn and burn. Starfire stalled out. 109 dove and put some rounds in the outer part of the wing essentially eliminating Starfire from the fight. Starfire called RTB. Redundant radioed that he went into a spin because of missing force feedback and was killed. Painter was killed.

    Blue creamed our collective Red asses and Red deserved every bit of it.
    When we train, we should stick to the quote: "Train like you fight, fight like you train"! And we did not.
    Red flight had 2 systems failures and a breakdown of command structure. Loss of systems does not have to result in loss of pilot and aircraft. The loss of Mrams aircraft was unavoidable; The loss of Redundant and his aircraft was unnecessary. Redundant should have called this system failure at the time of the spawn to give any commander as much time to assess the situation. We train for war-missions and In a SEOW every aircraft counts. So for future reference ALWAYS call system failures ASAP.

    Red flight suffered a breakdown of command as we lost Mram. Normal real life procedure states that the second highest ranking officer would be the leader of the second element (nr. 3 a/c). Starfire was the second highest officer, but Painter was in Nr. 3 position. Starfire assumed that Painter would assume lead which did happened. Assumption is the mother of all fu*k-ups!!!
    As we are a paramilitary organization with a somewhat looser structure we will place Pilots in place different places.

    In the future we need to counter this by include the What-If as part of the briefing and informing of the command structure in case a loss.
    Depending on a War-like-scenarios I see 2 different scenarios if we had known about Redundant's system failure.
    1. RTB; Doing a 180 turn (and called the aggressors that we would do a restart due to massive system failures)
    2. Painter and Starfire had stayed over the area while the stricken a/c would RTB.

    Mission nr. unknown - Carrier landings

    Pro:
    5 out of 7 a/c recovered safely which was nice considered that there was no prior training. We lost 28,5% on the landing alone.


    Con:
    The landings was inconsistent in their approch and was generally lacking safety.
    My own landing included !!!
    Last edited by Starfire_EAF331; 2011-09-15 at 13:21.
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    Are you sure you don't mean monday sept 12 instead of 19?

    No flying for me tomorrow, but I would like you to test something by running the same (escort)mission (at least) twice:
    - Staying close to the bombers (within visual range, preferably closer), only engaging opposition when they get too close, and if they try to disengage you break off and return to the bombers.
    - Going after enemy fighters agressively and really trying to kill them off as soon as possible, only break off from them if they dive for the deck. If you don't find any more enemies, return to bombers to be ready for the next attack.

    After each mission note how many kills our side got, how many bombers and fighters was lost on our side. Doing it only twice will only give a sample of one, but if we do it every now and then...

    "The more thy sweat in training,
    The less thy bleed in combat!"

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    I'm in!
    Thanks Starfire. This is exactly what I need. Actually I think this kind of training can benefit all of us if we do it now and again. It's an artform to do correctly and needs refreshing now and then.

    See y'all on monday.

    Apollo

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    Thursday the 15th of September

    I will be online just after 2030 as usual.


    Section Tactics, 2 vs 2

    Mission Type: COOP
    Game Version: Stock 4.10.1

    Aircrafts:
    • Spitfire Mk. IXF (1942)
    • Bf-109G2



    2030 - Starfire will come online for training IL-2.
    2215 - [Normandy] SEOW join-up
    2230 - [Normandy] start


    Training Material
    Shaw, chapter 6 (p236-249


    Keywords
    Bracket, Drag, Loose-Douce, Double Attack, 1 vs 1, Pincer, Switch, Line Abreast, Echelon (right), Trail.
    I advice to pay special attention to page 242.

    EAF Wiki: Stage 3 and 7


    A 2vs2 are essentially about reducing the size of the opposition into a 2vs1 as fast as possible by "Divide and conquer", thereby making the outcome certain. If this can't be done the fight often degrades into a 1vs1.
    It is proven that trained peoples (women as well) are not able to multitask more than two tasks well. With the introduction of a third task (covering buddy and keep tab of the two bandits), the quality of all the tasks degrades fast (SA degrades).

    In developing a two-versus-two tactical doctrine, overload considerations
    should be weighed at least equally with aircraft and weapons-system
    performance comparisons. Training for this scenario should also emphasize
    the pilot's ability to recognize the signs of impending task overload, so
    that some allowance can be made (e.g., disengagement or a transition to
    defensive tactics) before disaster strikes. Recognition of opponent overload
    is more difficult, and this condition is not normally apparent until it
    results in an obvious mistake.
    How we achive this I have yet to figure out :-)


    I hope you like training, because I love it
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    Sorry Starfire for not seeing this until after the training..I will make sure to look here before the next training day.

    AP

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    Now I see it.

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    Monday the 26th of September

    I will be online just after 2030 as usual.


    IL-2 & Cliffs of Dover

    We will be training TO in Il-2 again in order to find a SOP. The training will consist of short coop-missions.
    It is important that you raise your voice and ggive your opinion in order for Mram and me to get it right. Hopefully this won't take long.

    Afterwards we will switch to Cliff Of Dover.
    I have yet decide what we will do. It is important for me to bring the newcommers in COD up to speed, so this will take precedense.
    "....Perspective only comes from knowing more than you need to know"
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